AFRAID of gods?
I read some interesting things over the holidays and one was a claim that a belief in gods is somehow a sign of intellectual inferiority. Now the writer was an idiot but his comment garnered a chorus of guarded and not so guarded agreement from certain factions within pagan fora who have adopted the latest fad in Paganism, following on from the hilarious "pagans who aren't pagans", namely, pagans who don't believe in gods, having transcended "all that."
Now, while Richard Dawkins can string together quite an interesting argument in favour of religion being a pain in the hole, and while I think he definitely has a point, even he lets down the side of intellectual rigour in some of his refusals to acknowledge the rights of others to belief. No one should allow their personal bias to cloud their judgement to the extent that they cannot allow any logical refutation or wilfully misunderstand the refutation of their points, as happened when he spoke to a Protestant bishop about the possibility of God coexisting with Science. And if even Dawkins (a great man, imo) can get it wrong, forgive me for not falling down in shame at my lack of intellect as pointed out by some pseudo pagans.
A few thoughts occur - firstly if you don;t like paganism and pagan religions (note the plural, btw) then go join other fora and go call yourself something else. Secondly, just because some believers in pagan gods are idiots please note there are plenty of paths that demand a lot more intellectual rigor than simply snarking at other people. And finally, why are you so afraid of the Gods? :) they really aren't all that interested in you!
Now, while Richard Dawkins can string together quite an interesting argument in favour of religion being a pain in the hole, and while I think he definitely has a point, even he lets down the side of intellectual rigour in some of his refusals to acknowledge the rights of others to belief. No one should allow their personal bias to cloud their judgement to the extent that they cannot allow any logical refutation or wilfully misunderstand the refutation of their points, as happened when he spoke to a Protestant bishop about the possibility of God coexisting with Science. And if even Dawkins (a great man, imo) can get it wrong, forgive me for not falling down in shame at my lack of intellect as pointed out by some pseudo pagans.
A few thoughts occur - firstly if you don;t like paganism and pagan religions (note the plural, btw) then go join other fora and go call yourself something else. Secondly, just because some believers in pagan gods are idiots please note there are plenty of paths that demand a lot more intellectual rigor than simply snarking at other people. And finally, why are you so afraid of the Gods? :) they really aren't all that interested in you!

well I have nothing against atheists, as you know yourself :) and I have at least met one atheist pagan who makes sense of the title but I agree, there is a ridiculous bandwagon on the roll right now where the mere mention of gods within paganism is greeted with howls. It's just a fad, like all fads it'll pass. Then maybe it'll go full circle and the same folk will claim deep and new personal gnosis, vouchsafed only to them, about the true nature of deity? :)
Til then I'll content myself with actually practising my pagan path. So boring I know :)
(Anonymous)
Don't you find these people just tiresome? And I am an atheist. Unlike these "paganism is a lifestyle, I can be a cool pagan type while denying gods" idiots. Sorry, to anyone who thinks otherwise but like, look it up. There's a difference between the position that prextianity had paths suitable for intellectual and the fallacy that they in anyway sanctioned atheism.
ROB
However you are correct in that most societies required at least a public acknowledgement of their gods and frowned on overt atheism.
From what I understand the modern Atheist/neo-pagan position on it is that paganismis a "lifestyle", that there are inherently "pagan" activities or lifestyle choices that somehow transcend the definition of pagansim as a religion. I don't know if I agree - I don't see witchcraft as a religion so its practise to me does not proove paganism; I don't think living in T'Country, or persuing "green" or crafty or farming or gardening or knitting or whatever activities are "pagan" so I have never quite grasped the connection. However I have been semi-convinced at least by the fact that some Atheists define atheism as including belief in some life force rather than gods and that seems to be the common ground, although I would argue that that is not atheism :) :)
(Anonymous)
Q: Define pagan outlook?
A Usually some form of animism (maybe wrong word?) or as you say belief in life force, or way of interacting with nature, is invoked. OK. Though (imo) an Atheist does not believe in a higher power at all, including life force.
But at least that view of it compromises Atheism not Paganism, where I get upset at the desire to define Pagan as being somehow "live in country, bird spot, raise sheep, grow herbs, knit"
ME
New Fad?
As to the article on the beliefs in god(s) inferring intellectual inferiority, hokum in my opinion. Most of the pagans I know have degrees (history, archaeology, medieval languages) and are rigorous in their attempts to align their practices with historical evidence of the ancients whose beliefs they seek to emulate.
Re: New Fad?